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Your Blacktail Success Depends on Understanding What That Nose Knows
The whitetail hunting industry has conditioned us to believe that spraying a little doe estrus will magically bring in monster bucks within 30 minutes. Nothing could be further from the truth, especially when hunting the elusive blacktail deer. Aaron and Dave tackle the complex world of deer scents, pheromones, and attractants - explaining what actually works and the science behind why.
The podcast dives deep into calming pheromones like HODAG scent rope and EverCalm, explaining how they create communication hubs and safe spaces that alter deer behavior over time rather than producing immediate results. The hosts share their field-tested insights on which commercial urines work for specific phases of the rut, emphasizing that timing and purpose matter more than brand names.
Perhaps most enlightening is their breakdown of cover scents and scent elimination strategies. From the science behind Nose Jammer's "vapor lock" effect to comprehensive approaches involving specialized laundry detergents, field sprays, and antimicrobial merino wool base layers, Aaron and Dave methodically explain their complete scent control system. They challenge common misconceptions while offering practical advice for hunters struggling with scent-wary deer.
What separates this episode from typical hunting advice is the emphasis on patience, consistent application, and realistic expectations. These strategies aren't quick fixes but rather systematic approaches that manipulate deer behavior over weeks and months. Whether you're new to hunting or a seasoned veteran looking to up your scent game, this episode provides the knowledge foundation needed for consistent success on trophy blacktails.
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Welcome back to the Blacktail Coach. I'm Aaron and I'm Dave. So this week we're going to talk about why the nose knows. We're going to cover a lot of different scents and pheromones and cover scents, all of that and explain kind of what we use and why we use it and some of the things that we don't necessarily use. We'll try to cover it all.
Speaker 2:So any initial thoughts I don't know how to quite say this, but I think what we're going to do is dispel a lot of misnomers about when it comes to sense. In my seminars I talk about how not all sense are created equal, and I think this is a good opportunity for us to explain why we say that, and as we get into this we'll delve into that and kind of enlighten what the average hunter needs to know. When it comes to scents, I think they're underutilized.
Speaker 2:I think the expectations are completely wrong and I believe the average hunter doesn't know what to expect, except what he sees on a 30-minute show on TV.
Speaker 1:Yeah, spray a little here and there and you've got the monster buck, and within 30 minutes you should be seeing buck activity and you know. Big buck down.
Speaker 2:Yeah, exactly, exactly.
Speaker 1:Not quite realistic.
Speaker 2:That's putting it nicely.
Speaker 1:Might take more than 30 minutes, maybe, Right? So let's start off with. And I labeled them as calming pheromones. Would you say that's accurate?
Speaker 2:I would say absolutely 100%.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:When you're dealing with an animal that is completely high strung. I mean they jump, string on bows and the average guy is shooting anywhere from 240 to 290 feet per second. That's the average guy. Mm-hmm. You know, somewhere in that range most guys fall into and I can't duck an arrow going 240 feet per second. But a deer can. But a deer can and does it all the time. Yeah, so they're pretty high strung, and so getting them to calm down, yeah, that's at least how I feel. That's pretty important.
Speaker 1:Or just switch over to rifle and 2,800 feet per second. Yeah. They're jumping, but they're not jumping straight, just dropping Yep. Okay. So the first one that we use a HODAC scent rope. Yes so actually, why don't you explain the what so HODAC scent rope? What is that? What is its purpose?
Speaker 2:The purpose of a HODAC scent rope is to create a communication hub, basically. So if I'm going out out and I usually do this, uh, I like to start this when the weather starts drying out. So somewhere around the 4th of July, I'm going to start putting out my Hoda accent robes Okay, and they're real easy. It explains on the package exactly how to do it. But what you're doing is is you're creating a communication hub. In other words, when I'm putting out minerals and protein, I'm words when I'm putting out minerals and protein, I'm putting that out with a purpose, and the purpose behind that is to help my bucks reach their absolute maximum potential. Okay, the second purpose is to help my does be as completely healthy as I can get them, because the doe plays more of a role in the caliber of buck than the buck does. Okay.
Speaker 2:So it's herd genetics that are passed on to that buck and that gets into culling and all that. But we won't talk about culling the herd here. We're going to talk about this other stuff. So I put it out with a purpose. The Hodag scent rope is put out with the purpose of helping me catalog what's in the area. I may not see my target buck, but what I'm doing is I'm creating a hub where these deer are going to come and they're going to rub their orbital glands on this rope and it's their way of communicating to the other deer in the area hey, I'm here, this is who I am, yada, yada, yada, you know. Kind of giving them the script of hey, you know, I'm a part of this area, this is where I walk, this is where I travel and familiarizing themselves with the other deer in the area. And this plays a role later on when we get into the rut where we introduce a buck that they don't know. Yeah.
Speaker 2:This helps in that response. That Hodag scent rope helps in that response. So what I'm doing is I'm creating a place where these deer can communicate one to another, and it's granting me the opportunity to catalog what I have and to watch them grow throughout the summer.
Speaker 1:Okay, so, so the next one for calming that we use is EverCalm.
Speaker 2:EverCalm. So that is a pheromone that does put out in bedding areas. Okay.
Speaker 2:Okay, and it's a calming pheromone. It helps them relax, so does want to relax in in, obviously in bedding areas, because bedding areas is where they sleep and anybody who has gone to bed nervous or excited or you know, it's hard to fall asleep. So they put out this pheromone that helps other deer in the area. It doesn't just calm the doe that's there, it calms the other deer. If you've ever been trying to take a nap in a house full of kids that are running around and playing, you see what I'm saying. So that's kind of the analogy that I can give for that. It calms everybody down and helps them relax.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:So I got an image of like Ritalin just being passed out to kids NyQuil.
Speaker 1:NyQuil, if you're serious and you need immediate relief.
Speaker 2:There you go, there you go.
Speaker 1:Don't give NyQuil to your children. I think it's against the law.
Speaker 2:But this calming pheromone, evercalm by Conquest Sense man, it's a game changer in how much it'll help get that buck to daylight. It really it brings them in and they start hanging out at your set.
Speaker 1:And it tells it this is a safe spot to be in Exactly. Exactly Now? Are there any other calming pheromones that are?
Speaker 2:Those are the two that we use.
Speaker 1:Those are the two that we use.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and basically those, and I really haven't had to go with anything else. I mean, aaron, I'm chasing a big record book buck every year yeah. And I've really, you know, I've got a room full of mounts and so I'm pretty happy with the outcome of there. I haven't had to look anywhere else. I guess, what I'm trying to say the hoedag throughout the summer, when it starts getting back into the rainy season, it's hard to keep that scent on it because it just drips right out of it. Yeah.
Speaker 2:It's a hemp rope and then as we get into season and we start going into the first rut and the second rut and everything like that, I put out that EverCalm, which is waterproof, and I usually only have to do it once, I think at the most twice a season. Yeah. And it's covered, we're good.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and you can store it from season to season, as long as it's in a ziploc bag and it stinks.
Speaker 2:Oh, my goodness gracious yeah, it looks like a deodorant stick, but it just it's terrible it's horrible, it is I don't know if it calms them or it kills them just wipes out some brain cells it oh, it's terrible. It's terrible, but the package itself is a Ziploc seal on it so that you can and you just keep it in a cool spot.
Speaker 1:Now let's talk about urines. Don't estrus and buck urine. Okay, I would say just why would you use those?
Speaker 2:uh, just why would you use those? Uh, I would say. I would counter that with why wouldn't you uh?
Speaker 2:for the simple, reason that I'm trying to create an illusion, and in order to do that, I I've got to to have this buck. Think that there are multiple does here, that there are, uh, other challenger bucks. Um, that, yeah, I have to create an illusion and and the only way to do that is by using scent pheromones and attractants, and to me, the urine is an attractant for the time of year that I want to hunt that buck. But this gets into what I was talking about initially when I said that not all cents are created equal, so I'm a pro staffer for Buck Ventures. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Our sponsor is Tinks. We have our pro staff meeting every April. So we fly down to Oklahoma and Tinks is there. So the representatives for Tinks, they're there and they've got all of their new products that they're going to bring out on the market before they've even been introduced as far as commercially to the public. And they take us in a room. You know they break us up into groups and everything, and so they'll take this group in the room and they basically sit us down and they say this is our new product.
Speaker 2:This product is created for this phase of the rut. This product over here, this is our old product. This product is created for this phase of the rut. This product over here, this is our old product. This product is created for this phase of the rut. This product is made for the pre-rut and the post-rut. This product is made for the entirety of the rut. So just because it says doe and estrus or dominant buck, doesn't mean that it's made for the entirety of the rut.
Speaker 2:Every scent is made for a specific part of the rut. There are a few that are made for the entirety, but there are those that are made for the pre-rut, the mid-rut, the post-rut, the chasing phase, the seeking phase, all of that. So you really need to have the right expectation placed on the scent that you're using, mm-hmm. So, and I think that it's a, it's a, it's a oh boy.
Speaker 2:It's a tragedy when guys sit there and watch TV and we all do it for entertainment. We watch the hunting shows for entertainment, but we also watch it to glean something off of it, right? So it's a tragedy when they watch it and they walk away thinking, man, that guy used this scent and if I just put this out I'll get a buck to come in. And the reality is, is it? All you got to do is take and do a little bit of research and you'll figure out what phase of the rut or what time of year is that scent made for. You know, hodag does great in the summertime, okay, because we're trying to get these deer to come in, and, you know, socialize. Yeah.
Speaker 2:You know, give us a head count and everything like that. You know, when we get to the rut, the bucks don't want to be around other bucks.
Speaker 1:No.
Speaker 2:You know. So it's like well, why is he going to come into that whole day? Well, I'm spinning my wheels by putting that out, Right?
Speaker 1:Yeah, plus he already knows by then what's out there.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:Who his competition is. What's out there?
Speaker 2:who. His competition is Right. And if I'm hunting post-rut and I'm using a scent that's designed for the pre-rut, it's counterintuitive. And so, yeah, everybody needs to do a little bit of research, or come to the class and I'll tell you. Yep. Sign up for one of my courses and I'll tell you what that scent is made for. And when you realize that, then putting the puzzle together, pieces of the puzzle together, to get this buck to daylight becomes that much easier.
Speaker 1:So we want to give you information to help with your hunts and stuff. But, yeah, you need to come to the class if you want the how. We'll give you the why and the what, but not the how that we want you to be part of our community. I know there's different brands. We've actually used several different brands.
Speaker 2:We use, obviously, moccasin Joe. They're big in the Northwest, they do a lot of blacktail stuff, but you know, in all honesty, it doesn't have to be blacktail. We also use Tinks. Tinks is my sponsor and I use a lot of Tinks 69 and the Peak 30 and that kind of stuff. So again, it's just knowing when and where to use it. And then the James Valley James.
Speaker 1:Valley, we started using it. Read about that, I believe, scott Haugen Haugen yep, he was the one who really likes using that, and so I went ahead and bought some the Doan, estrus and, I believe, wallhanger, which they recommend for the Pacific Northwest. This is concentrated, it stinks and you only use a little bit of it. And what's great is they actually send you a whole full page of instructions on how to use this.
Speaker 2:Right right.
Speaker 1:Which is really great, but it's very potent stuff and very effective. That's all I used last year on my sets and it was bringing in bucks and-.
Speaker 2:Right, yeah, right. But you know again, all scents are not, they're not created equal. But at the same time, you know, getting back to expectations, you can't just simply put this out and expect something to happen right away. Back to expectations. You can't just simply put this out and expect something to happen right away. This is something sense are made so that you it's a progression of things as you put them out, you start to manipulate behavior, but you know it's not something that happens.
Speaker 2:You know first, second time out yeah you know you, you've got to be regular with that stuff. And I you know again, in the courses we go over how to do that, when to do it, where to do it and all of that.
Speaker 1:All the specifics. Now there is also a difference and in a few weeks we're going to actually have someone come on, a special guest, who's going to talk about CWD, someone who really knows what they're talking about and unlike us, who would just read the same articles you could and try to piece together. We have someone who knows what they're talking about, but in several areas they've banned Doan, estrus and buck urine 100% urine 100% urine, so you have to go with synthetic Right Now.
Speaker 1:what is the difference between synthetic and the 100% urine? 100% urine, so you have to go with synthetic Right Now. What is the difference between synthetic and the 100%?
Speaker 2:As far as the difference, as far as results or effectiveness, I haven't noticed any. They've both been really effective. I wouldn't say one is any better than the other or one is worse than the other. They both work.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we have a pro staff who were down in Oregon. We're up in Washington and they have to use the synthetic.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they can't use any pure urine.
Speaker 1:But as far as when they say synthetic in my mind I'm thinking chemicals mixed up in the lab that it's not actual urine. Is that the case as far as you know?
Speaker 2:You know what? I'd just be guessing if I said you know, I really haven't and maybe I should, maybe I should take the time and read up on that um, but I have not, uh, done any kind of study on it to figure out what exactly it is or how it's made or anything like that. Um, I guess I'm kind of like the average guy.
Speaker 1:I just buy the bottle and squeeze but depending where you're at, that is something that you'll want to make sure that you understand what your local laws are and you do want to observe whatever your local laws are, absolutely.
Speaker 2:And you know, even in Washington you can use 100% pure urine. But I've gone trying to get more Doan, estrus or Buck urine or whatever and they've been out and all they had was synthetic and I they had was synthetic and I've used the synthetic and, like I said, I don't notice any difference.
Speaker 1:So one thing, actually, we forgot about this. One thing about the James Valley that I like is because it's a concentrate and it's more like a gel, it actually holds up with our rain. It holds up better.
Speaker 1:So, you don't quite lose if it's going to be raining a lot. You don't lose that scent as quickly. Eventually it is going to wash away, and it's not one that you would be using on a regular basis. It's kind of you do it once and you might come in and refresh it down the road, but it lingers a little bit longer than than the like a moccasin gel right right now tinks.
Speaker 1:I know we had it's kind of a spray of their don't estrus, but it was a gel, is that? How do you know if there's any difference with that and how it holds up to the?
Speaker 2:now, anything that, anything that's a gel, is going to hold up better to the rain than the spray.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:But Tinks also, and you can still find this in some places. Not very many places have it left. They stopped making it, but Tinks did make a black-tailed Doan estrus at one time.
Speaker 1:Oh, okay.
Speaker 2:And you know they had it in the bottles that spray like 12, 15 feet. Yeah. You know, they had it in the bottles that spray like 12, 15 feet. Yeah, you know, and I know one of our pro staffers bought a whole bunch of it and I think he's out now. But if you search hard enough you can find it. But if you got whitetail, whitetail works just as good. Mm-hmm, you know.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and all of James Valley is all whitetail. Yeah. Yeah, Again, it seemed to work just fine once it was put out. So moving along attractants. So what is an attractant?
Speaker 2:So an attractant is different than a urine or a doanesterous. An attractant is something that is, I want to describe it as an accessory. Okay, so this is something on top of my urines that I'm putting out Now. Whether that is a big and J product or a buck bomb of sorts, it's not my main thing, it's a one-time shot kind of thing. So if, when I go out and I do my sets, you know, and we go through the class and I show these guys exactly what I do, where I do it, how I do it, when I do it, the portion I do it in and everything, okay, these attractants may be something that I do, the one-time shot when I'm hunting.
Speaker 1:Like.
Speaker 2:I'm going to hunt today, so I'm going to put this out. Use this buck bomb and see cause I've already I've manipulated behavior. I've already got this as a part of routine for these deer. You know, now I need a little extra, you know, maybe to pull that buck in, like 15 minutes before dark or 20 minutes before dark, something like that, you know, to get him over there.
Speaker 1:So when we're saying attractants, so the urine, which does work as an attractant to an extent.
Speaker 2:Yes, to an extent, yes, absolutely.
Speaker 1:But it's creating the idea that there's another buck or another doe out there Now attractants. Is that creating the idea that there's food out there, a food source, or is it that and more?
Speaker 2:So you got to be careful. When you start talking about baiting, it's a touchy subject for a lot of people. Okay, there are those that are very dead against it, and I get it, I understand. And there are those that say you know, I don't have a problem doing I think. Well, that's a way of maintaining a healthy deer herd. Yeah.
Speaker 2:It helps you to have select harvest and at the same time, I also know and anybody that's baited bear knows that just because you put food out there doesn't mean they're going to come in. Yeah. That food's out there at night. You know what's making them come in the daytime. They don't have to. Yeah. They don't have to because that food's at night and they know they're safe at night, and not to mention that, man, they can eat probably 50% of everything that's out there. So food doesn't make bucks daylight.
Speaker 1:Yeah, here you know it might be more of a necessity in maybe Southern Oregon drier, less vegetation, but here it seems like up further north there's a lot of vegetation out there, a lot of stuff for them to eat.
Speaker 2:Right, and we don't get the hard winters typically where they're.
Speaker 1:It's killed everything off.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and they're digging like two feet down in the snow to get to something to eat. It isn't like that over here. Yeah. And so yeah, so food as far as an attractant, it's probably more for the does and the smaller bucks, but for the bigger bucks they're just too smart.
Speaker 1:But thinking when I was asking about food. So Big and Jay or the Buck Bombs different attractants so we use to die for is one of the ones that we use quite a bit. Is that giving the deer a sense that there's a food source? Is that how it's attracting, so they smell that and they think, oh, there's some food over there that I need to go investigate. Or is it triggering something else?
Speaker 2:So when I use like to die for and wet cob or dry cob or stuff like that, it's usually in the summertime, and wet cob or dry cob or stuff like that, it's usually in the summertime. And again, where I'm trying to maintain good herd health, all those things have protein in them. Okay. Okay, so when I put out mineral, I never put out mineral without protein. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Because you'll make your deer sick, They'll come in, they'll hit the mineral. If there's no protein there, they get bloated, they get sick to their stomach. They don't want to come back to that mineral again. They may come back one more time, but they typically don't hit it again. So when I do minerals I want to do protein. So Big N' J has a lot of products on the market that are long range attractants that have protein in them. So when I'm trying to catalog deer that's what I'm trying to do. But when that buck comes in in the summertime and he's sitting there and he's hitting the minerals and he's hitting the protein or the attractant, he also recognizes, because he lives his life through his nose, that he's smelling other does coming in there. Okay.
Speaker 2:So that's what I want him to pick up on, okay, and then we have the hoedag, you know, and we piece all these things together and we create this illusion. And that is what we're trying to do to manipulate the behavior okay so it isn't. It isn't so much a lot of the the products like, like big and jay, whether it's a block or something like that, if you can't keep it dry yeah, in the wintertime. They don't want it. Yeah. Because it'll mildew, because everything out there has sugar in it.
Speaker 1:The block holds up I've seen fairly well Unless there's a bear in the area. So we do our scouting. We're like January into February we're doing scouting and we'll throw those out then to get them some protein, but it's before the bears.
Speaker 2:Because as soon as the bears get up, they will just sit there and eat those blocks down to nothing. Yeah, in a couple of days. Typically they have some kind of molasses or syrup in them and and uh yeah, they don't take any time. Glue them all together yeah but.
Speaker 1:But the deer really do like those and they do, they do come in for those, but yeah and it's it's different with Bear candy.
Speaker 2:When I say that all scents aren't created equal, all attractants are not created equal either. You have to find what your deer, in your area, especially blacktail. They are finicky, they can be picky they are browsers.
Speaker 2:They're not grazers. You got to find what they want, what they're craving, and every area is going to be a little. You go to one area. You put out, you know, trophy rock. We got a guy that is in class. He's using trophy rock and they're all over it. They're hammering it. I've never had any good luck with trophy rock. Yeah, areas where I know and I mean I'll sit there and get a picture, I could put that trophy rock next to another attractant mineral sorts and and they'll hammer that other mineral and they won't even give the trophy rock.
Speaker 1:Two thoughts and I can't remember what we used. It was one of the big and j products that to die for have had pretty good success. But there was another one and the deer wouldn't touch it and it just mildewed instead of the mold legit legit yeah but other guys very close by 20 miles away swear by it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they think it's the greatest I've had, that same I've put legit out on one set. It does fantastic. I put it on another set and it'll stay there through december yeah I'll put it out in february and it'll stay there through December.
Speaker 1:That's kind of what's happened with a couple of my sets. They could care less about it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you just got to find what they like.
Speaker 1:It's a trial and error.
Speaker 2:It absolutely is, and it takes a little bit of money. That's why we have the thing here at the house. We try stuff out. Yeah. And even then it may do good here and not, you know, on a set it may just be a flop.
Speaker 1:So join our community because we actually we have guys who try different stuff and you know they'll throw it out on the Facebook page and everything of what they've tried. So it kind of short circuits what you having to try everything.
Speaker 2:Right right.
Speaker 1:You can just try a few things or just go with what they said first and then, well, that didn't work. I'll move on to the next Yep. So the last thing we're going to talk about is cover scents A lot of different categories and different products here. But well, let's start with Nose Jammer.
Speaker 2:So Nose Jammer is a great product that I feel is underutilized, but I feel also is probably more misunderstood than anything else. Okay, so Nose Jammer operates on the premise that a deer can only smell six to eight things at one time. Okay. Once it gets past that, once that deer starts smelling more than that, like you and I, we can only smell like two or three different things at a time yeah.
Speaker 2:The human nose is just not made to smell more than that. So you come into your house after work or whatnot your wife is cooking spaghetti and you, you open the door and you can smell the spaghetti, and maybe she's cooking french bread, or you know, maybe there's something else that you pick up on and you you can smell those two things, but you can't smell the flowers on the table Right Necessarily. Right, and then the deer. However, can smell six to eight different things at one time.
Speaker 2:Once it gets past that, they go into vapor lock. So that is what nose jammer is. It's nine plus different things into that can, right, and when you initially spray it, you and I smell vanilla. Yeah. Right, right. And when you initially spray it, you and I smell vanilla. Yeah Right, and we'll smell that vanilla for a few minutes until our nose goes into vapor lock. Yeah.
Speaker 2:So when you're using nose jammer, again, you have to know what its purpose is. You have to know how it operates. So when I use nose jammer I don't bring it out for the first time when I go into hunt. It is something that I have to introduce progressively over weeks building up to that hunt. I have to get that deer or that buck used to that nose because he's going to smell that vanilla and some of the other things that are in that for a few minutes and then he's going to go into vapor lock.
Speaker 2:Yeah, in that for a few minutes and then he's going to go into vapor lock. Yeah, so if I introduce that the day that I go out and he's been coming into my set for the last week and a half, whatever, and I finally get a daylight pic of him and I know he's going to daylight that day, I go out there and I'm like, well, I can't afford an ozonics or I didn't get to wash my clothes, or you know, maybe you don't think, or somebody told you that, that there's nothing to all this cover, scent and whatnot. I don't. However, you want to do it and you introduce that nose jammer and he smells that vanilla for the first time.
Speaker 2:Well, you've just changed it up. Yeah, you've introduced something that he's not used to.
Speaker 1:This might be a good way to explain this. So, when we smell something, there's the phenomena, I guess, where you smell something and then 30 minutes later you can't smell it anymore. Okay, so our brain lets us smell something so that we can decide whether or not what we're smelling. Is that a threat to our safety or not? And if it's not, then our brain shuts that off so we don't smell that anymore. Right, right, so that's the whole idea. Is that? Okay, I'm safe, I don't need to keep working and doing that and you and I aren't.
Speaker 2:we don't face life as 100% of the time. You know survival, we do stuff for recreation. You know we take naps. We do all this other daily routine stuff that deer and other ungulates don't get that pleasure.
Speaker 1:But think of the initial panic. I smell smoke.
Speaker 2:There you go. That's a great example.
Speaker 1:I smell smoke from an electrical fire. Where is? That coming from and you're trying to figure out where is that coming from and you're a little bit panicked until you figure out what, what, the source is yeah, so that's what's going on is it's? It's an alert system, right just?
Speaker 2:so when, when you're using the nose jammer and you introduce it weeks in advance and he starts coming in. So if I go out to my set every other day, every other day I'm going to spray a little bit of nose jammer, because initially he's going to smell that yeah and then, once he gets to, okay, this is. And then the nose goes, the scent factory goes into vapor lock. He no longer can smell, it doesn't bother him yeah you see what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:So it's a great product, but you have to know how to use it how to use it, okay, so.
Speaker 1:So I'm going to lump the next three in Laundry bombs, body wash, and laundry bombs is also the dryer sheets and deodorant, okay, so, actually, let's laundry bombs and the dryer sheets. So the point of those and this is all dead downwind stuff that we end up using what's the idea behind that?
Speaker 2:To be scent free. That's the idea. Yeah. Okay, you're never going to be 100% scent, you just can't. Yeah. So long as you're breathing, you're moving around your body's, shedding skin follicles and all that stuff, so you're never going to be 100% scent free. But you want to try and I've heard people say, well, it's a gimmick and all that. And if you hunt the wind which we all should be anyway. Yeah, then you know I can get in and I can kill and all that, and that's fine.
Speaker 2:I'm gonna always err on the side of caution and even if it gives me five percent more confidence that may be that five percent that puts me over the top to be successful and we talked about this like, like the 2% ideas. Exactly.
Speaker 1:That's kind of what we call them. It says they give you a little bump of making you feel 2% more at ease or 2% more confident. Right, right. And so they take out the odor. But we use that in conjunction with the scent-free bags.
Speaker 1:Scent-free bags that in conjunction with the scent-free bags Scent-free bags which are basically a rubber-coated bag and all of our hunting clothes go in there and we drive out to our set and then we put our clothes on Because in your car that random french fry that fell as you were driving home from work or something.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you've been sweating all summer in it, you know.
Speaker 1:And so that odor will get into your hunting clothes, wetting all summer in it, you know. And so that odor will get into your hunting clothes? Well, you don't smell that, but the deer who has 320 million scent receptors, they're going to smell that. So that's why we protect our clothes until we get out in the field, and then, before we get in the car, it's get undressed put it all in the bag and then, because it won't pick up the odors from your car- right, right and rubber is impervious to scent yeah so, and most people I don't know that.
Speaker 2:They know that, but that's why that dead downwind bag is such a great thing yeah it's impervious to scent.
Speaker 1:So long as I put in scent free, I'm pulling out scent free and it's the same idea with going in with the rubber boots exactly because it's not going to spread and with our pants tucked in so that we're not, we're minimizing minimizing yeah yeah, the amount of odor we're leaving and the body wash and deodorant is the same thing, but on our person as opposed to absolutely the clothes and it's doing your partner a big favor.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:Wash up and you know the deodorant. That stuff has a lot of really strong odor. Yeah, so you know you want to. I remember a youth group I was working with. A kid goes, wow, that's great cologne you're wearing and I'm like that's just my deodorant. But if we can smell someone's deodorant as we're walking by, yeah, think of what the deer are smelling. So, you want to negate the body odors.
Speaker 2:No, taco Bell runs.
Speaker 1:Yeah, don't put on the Chanel no 5 before going out in the field.
Speaker 2:There you go.
Speaker 1:Tell me about, because this was a new one to me actually last year the field spray. And I think the first couple of times I went out I didn't know anything about it and I didn't use it. And then you came and sat with me on a hunt and you brought along the field spray and you doused me with it after we got fully dressed and then you had me douse you completely with it.
Speaker 2:Right, so the field spray. Ideally, what you want to do is, when you get your stuff out of the dryer, you want to spray the field spray on your clothes and let them dry and then put them in the bag.
Speaker 1:Okay, Um.
Speaker 2:That's how it's designed to work. Now, when I go out and I get out of the rig and I get changed and everything, I will spray more spiel spray on me just because, especially early season hunts and stuff If I'm on a buck early season, if I found a shooter and I'm in a spot where I think I can get him to daylight, then yeah, I use it early season. I can get them to daylight, then yeah, I use it early season. Late season, as I get into November and December, it's not because it's going to rain anyway, but if it's not going to rain, I do want to put that stuff on. I want to make it so that it's harder for the molecules to come off of me. Does that make sense?
Speaker 1:Yeah, so is it like a? Well, for lack of better phrasing, is it like a no scent Febreze as far as, or is it just?
Speaker 2:Yes, okay, yeah, that's that's a good way of describing it. Yeah, and you know, yeah, it's just like and I feel like this is just me personally I feel like stuff that could have blown off of me is now stuck to me because I've got a little bit of moisture on me.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's how I kind of view that.
Speaker 1:And so, as far as clothing, one thing that just kind of popped into my mind and I learned this last year, this last year, so, coming home every night, because I hunted all four or five days in a row of the Extended Modern and I had one set of thermals underwear and it's merino wool and I took it off and I put it back on the next day, took it off four days in a row and at no point did it pick up any noticeable scent. I'm sure it did, because there's oils, but it blocks bacteria growth from your body, sweat and everything.
Speaker 2:Merino wool is antimicrobial.
Speaker 1:Antimicrobial. So thinking about whether you're getting natural fibers or synthetic. And yeah, that was pretty impressive to me and I actually I liked it so much that I went out and picked up another set so I wouldn't have to keep wearing the same set over and over and over again. But it was really effective for controlling odor because I know, because I'll wear the hex and that will, because it's a synthetic material, it'll start to smell after a few hours because the bacteria will start growing between the sweat and the oils from your body, and that's what's great about merino wool, I mean, it's just naturally antimicrobial and it has a lot of other great factors too.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the wicking the wicking away of the moisture, the warmth.
Speaker 1:The warmth even when wet, Yep yeah.
Speaker 2:Marina Wool is a great, great material.
Speaker 1:And if you don't do any shopping on CamelFirecom, it actually is a really good source. That's where I found mine and it was pretty reasonable finding it on there. I got a full—well. Both my sets came from CamelFire, but there's an app and they change its different deals every day all kinds of hunting gear so they'll get some discontinued items or they'll get close out stuff close out stuff, yeah, and so you can get some pretty good bargains on on things.
Speaker 1:So really good source. And so the last one on here and we've actually we did a half an episode on it was, uh, ozone generators and ozone, especially ozonics yeah, so we all use ozonics.
Speaker 2:Yeah so we all use ozonics. Yes, and the episode we did on ozonics was Game Changers and it is a product.
Speaker 1:Actually Going Invisible, Part 1.
Speaker 2:Was it Going?
Speaker 1:Invisible. Yeah, if you go back and listen to that episode.
Speaker 2:This is absolutely a game changer. I don't want to hunt without it. I don't have to worry about the wind. Once I'm in stand, I set that up and I'm hunting, but it works. And I don't know how many times, how many different stories we've got it just. It continues to impress me. But the science is there and it works.
Speaker 1:They make a car version. But you can scent, kill your car. Don't do it while you're in it.
Speaker 2:It isn't the same as exhaust, but it's not good for you.
Speaker 1:It'll not only off your exhaust or your scent, it'll off you as well. The garment bags. So you could put your clothes into a garment bag every night and after 30 minutes it's killed all the odors. Yeah.
Speaker 1:And so, yeah, but a really great product and I would encourage anybody. If you want to know more about that and I've mentioned Hex, we have a whole episode where we just talk about Hex and our experiences with that and Ozonics and just how much we believe in those two products and stuff. So Going Invisible. Part 1 is that one, that episode, but that kind of wraps it up. We wanted to cover some of the yeah, the nose-nose and when we're going out hunting, especially for blacktail, it's a battle with their nose.
Speaker 1:Absolutely and one we want to win. So thanks for joining us and we'll see you next week.
